Thursday I was in Bankruptcy Court waiting for my client’s case to be called. Before the judge took the bench, a gentleman sat behind me and tapped me on the shoulder.
“You a bankruptcy lawyer?” he asked.
“I am.”
“How easy is it for me to convert my case from Chapter 13 to Chapter 7?”
I asked if he had an attorney, and he replied that he did not. He was representing himself (which is not a good idea in Chapter 13, by the way… I’ll talk about that another day).
I told him that the Bankruptcy Court had a Pro Se Law Clerk and that he should direct his questions to the law clerk, who can then either answer the question or direct him to a resource that can.
“Oh, I see,” he replied. “You want to get paid, huh?.”
Imagine if you were walking down the street and you saw a person who you knew to be a dentist. Would you go up to him or her, peel back your lips to show a molar and ask “excuse me, but do know how easy it would be to but a cap on this? Or a porcelain veneer?” No respectable dentist would give you an answer. In fact, some might flee. A disreputable dentist might say “it will be very easy, here’s my card, let’s make an appointment, and be sure to bring your insurance card or check book.”
As I said, while I sort of felt a bit insulted, that feeling was quickly quelled with the realization that this pro se debtor had no clue what it was I did, and why I could not answer his question. So I told him:
“Actually, the reason why I cannot answer your question is because I do not know anything about your case, or about your circumstances. I cannot begin to think about the your question and give you any answer you can rely on unless I do that. Right now, I cannot. The Pro Se Law Clerk however, can.”
The debtor thanked me, and left the courtroom. I do hope that he paid a visit to the Pro Se Law Clerk, and I do hope he got some better direction than I could have given him.
This all got me thinking: there are some people who believe that you don’t need a bankruptcy lawyer to get through the process. There are also some people who believe that lawyers are only out to get paid, and don’t do anything but fill out forms and, on occasion, dress nicely. There’s an assumption that I am a walking fount of information, and the only thing preventing me from sharing it is getting paid.
All of those assumptions make me feel dirty.
All of those assumptions are also completely unfounded.
There’s no way I could have answered this debtor’s question accurately. I could have said “when the judge takes the bench, ask her to convert your case.” That answer would have been the equivalent of the dentist saying “sure, make sure you use good glue and don’t drink hot liquids for 24 hours.”
But I had not reviewed the petition and schedules. I don’t know what the exemptions are, and what issues might arise in a 7 that might not otherwise arise in 13. I don’t know why the debtor is changing course and whether that might open up a whole host of issues. I also don’t know whether the judge – who I bet knows the history of the case and why it’s on the docket that day – doesn’t have some assumptions or questions about the case. In other words, I don’t know a lot. I do know the law.
Yet merely knowing the law is not enough for me to do my job. A good lawyer takes the facts of the client’s case, applies it to the law, and then proceeds while mindful of the client’s goals. A good lawyer is not merely a resource of legal information available to answer questions at the drop of a hat knowing that people will rely on those answer and make important decisions with significant legal consequences. My job requires thought and analysis.
And on a good day, that actually is what I get paid for. Keep this in mind if you’re thinking about filing bankruptcy with or without a bankruptcy attorney.

2009: Perchance to Dream
New Years is a time when many make resolutions. Some resolve to quit smoking. Some resolve to lose weight. The list of resolutions is endless. Personally, I think many resolutions are pretty useless. I didn’t stop smoking because of a resolution (but I did quit… a few Novembers ago), and I have not exactly kept up with resolution diets. I’ve been racking my brain trying to come up with something appropriate to write about for New Years. The last thing I want to do, especially today, is sound trite. It’s not like you can simply “resolve” to get out of bad mortgage or you can “resolve” to get a better job when companies are laying off. But then yesterday, I had a surprise visit from an old client who helped my thought process move along.
My client went through a long chapter 13. At times, it was not particularly pleasant. But all plan payments were paid and the discharge was received a few years ago. Now, she’s dedicated to her business and determined to keep make it grow in a difficult economy.
During our brief meeting, I noticed something different. Was it the hair color, I thought? No. Did she have her teeth done? No, not that. Then it dawned on me. It was something more.
She was happy. She was smiling. While she was not a particularly unhappy person while the case was open, I think it’s fair to say the chapter 13 was not a particularly happy period in her life. But now, the chapter 13 case is behind her and yesterday she sat before me smiling, happy, and talking about the future.
As an attorney, while I try to get my client’s perspective, I really can only get so much. I can only put myself so far into a client’s shoes. So I asked her, now that her case is behind her, now that she is moving forward with her life in new directions, what were her feelings about the bankruptcy process now that she was “on the other side of it.”
She didn’t hesitate with her response. (I can’t quote, but I did take a few notes.) She told me that going through that difficult process allowed her to dream again. That now she could dream and that making those dreams a reality again seemed possible. Her dreams were no longer mired down in a chaos created by debt that had spiraled out of control. She told me that she felt freer than she had felt in a very long time.
The minute these words flowed, I could feel a smile growing on my face….and a bit of a lump in my throat. And then, it dawned on me: ‘this is what I’ve been itching to write about for the New Year.’
Many are looking at 2009 with a sense of foreboding and trepidation. World events are not exactly fueling optimism about the future. Perhaps 2009 will not be a year when dreams will come true. Perhaps things may get worse.
Or perhaps in spite of that, you can find a way to knuckle down, stand straight, bite your lower lip, bide your time, and get through a journey that brings you to the other side of it: a side where you can dream once again. I know it may all sound silly, but I know this place exists. Yesterday, I was fortunate to be reminded that for my clients in or facing bankruptcy, there can be a life afterwards. And that life can be wonderous. The only assurance I can give you is that the big smile on my client’s face proves that anything is possible.
With that, I wish you all a very Happy New Year.
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